#OccupyWallStreet Movies, Your Primer of Protest

Holy cow, look at all those people in the streets. You’d think it was the Great Depression!

Or the 1960s.

Maybe a mixture of both?

Some time ago, I offered readers a primer of films designed to illuminate the Tea Party phenomenon, so it’s only fitting to now bring about a new list that participants and observers of the Occupy Wall Street (Philadelphia, Oakland, take your pick of locations, they’re growing fast) movement can benefit from viewing or revisiting.

Whether you regard the OWS folks as vanguards of a new American revolution or as “urine-soaked deadbeats,” the movies of the past and present can always help us better understand the real world that exists outside the confines of the screen.

These gatherings are large and strong but they are also diffuse in purpose, which is a 99%-er’s way of saying they appear not to know exactly what they want in a broadly agreed-upon manner. That said, there are common themes that have emerged from the dissent. So, call their activities the protest of patriots or the chaos caused by crackpots—these are the films we should be looking at now:

Occupy Wall Street Movies, Your Primer of Protest  
 
 
   

FIGUREHEADS

Johnny Strabler of The Wild One, Jim Stark of Rebel Without a Cause, and Tyler Durden of Fight Club

Like the Tea Party, the OWS members claim no leaders—though it is not as difficult as either group likes to suggest for us to pinpoint the location of their general political sympathies—a strategic choice never terribly helpful when it comes to crystallizing a message. Given this shortcoming, we may suggest where to look for cinematic characters with whom they may be most likely to identify.

Is there any single piece of dialogue in movie history that sums up the present OWS situation, for better or worse, than the signature line from The Wild One? Biker Johnny Strabler (Marlon Brando) sums up the nature of his discontent with the brevity today’s protesters should envy:

Mildred: Hey, Johnny, what are you rebelling against?

Johnny: Whadda you got?

And then there’s Jim Stark (James Dean) from Rebel Without a Cause (a title begging to be modified, if it hasn’t been already, for eye-grabbing effect atop a OWS news or editorial piece), a young man so used to getting in trouble that “acting out” becomes second nature, his raison d'être. Whereas Brando’s troubled youth was ready to go against anything and everything as part of a conscious design, Jim’s revolt seems to be murkier, and more importantly for our purposes here, less his own doing than the inheritance he receives by way of poor parenting (by father Jim Backus, anyway). One of the relevant lessons we might take from Rebel is that if you fail to properly pave the way for the next generation, you can expect some shocking consequences, especially if that failure is defined by poor judgments about the definition of masculinity.

That’s where Fight Club comes in. As tempting as it may have been to include it in the analysis of Tea Party-related fare, it is much more at home in a discussion about the emergence of OWS. The film isn’t just a sinister repudiation of both male fecklessness and overweening machismo, it’s a cautionary tale about the unpredictability of revolution. The film reminds us that great damage can be done to oneself and others by following the alluring energy of radicalism. Take up the causes of the Tyler Durdens of this world at your peril; believing in his idealized existence can give you a rush…but is it real? Is it relevant? Or, is it just self-destruction?

WALL STREET/CAPITALISM

Wall Street and Treasure of the Sierra Madre

No wonder nobody bothered with the sequel Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps: Who wants to see everyone’s favorite titan of bad business tell us what we already knew:

Someone reminded me I once said "Greed is good". Now it seems it's legal.

Gordon Gekko is misquoting himself, just like everyone else does, perhaps because the “play it again, Sam” version of his most famous statement slips off the tongue a little easier than the real thing: The point is ladies and gentlemen that greed, for lack of a better word, is good.

Wall Street is often labeled as the film that embodies the “excess” of the 1980s, but Occupy Wall Streeters may want to refer back to this movie for what they may not remember about it. First and foremost, the film was directed by Oliver Stone (Remember him? He’s one of those guys who does Movies That Make You Mad), which should give you an indication of where it falls on the left-right scale of political thought. Yes, it embodies the excesses of the 1980s, but it is critical of them—despite how much fun we have watching Michael Douglas leer.

And who could blame anybody for wanting to forget that, yes—in this movie, Charlie Sheen is the hero, and finally, the story’s moral crusader: He plays the young stockbroker sucked in by the luxuries obscene wealth brings (kind of like Laurence Fishburne is taken in by Jeff Goldblum in Deep Cover, but I digress. That movie is about breaking the law.), only to decide it’s better to do the right thing and go to prison with a clear conscience.

There’s OWS talk about Wall Streeters going to jail, but holding up Ma-Sheen as your avatar of upstanding behavior may not now be the “winning” strategy.

Here’s a less-quoted exchange from the film, between Sheen and Douglas:

Bud: How much is enough?
Gekko: It’s not a question of enough. It’s a zero sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses.

That’s an interesting philosophy coming from the man worshiped by those who make it a habit of arguing exactly the opposite—that manipulating the tax code to favor the wealthy rather than the middle class enables the free flow of market capitalism (where winners and losers are not chosen but rather sorted out by the impartial forces of economic Darwinism) and bakes a fluid if reliably-expanding pie, while the reverse constitutes unwarranted class warfare. Stone’s slick picture supposedly inspired many a young person to become a stockbroker; that’s a curious achievement—one wonders exactly what messages were taken from the film by those so moved. Possibly not the messages Stone had intended.

   

Now, if you really want to get behind around a film with an anti-capitalist message, look no further than the 1948 classic Treasure of the Sierra Madre. Don’t blame your messenger: There’s a tremendous article by Ethan Trex in the November-December 2011 issue of Mental Floss profiling the book’s author, B. Traven—an enigmatic man who regularly dug his socialist/anarchist sympathies into the underbellies of gripping adventure stories. You don’t have to look so very hard for this subtext in Treasure; as Trex points out, working hard and striking gold turns Dobbs (Humphrey Bogart), Curtin (Tim Holt), and Howard (Walter Huston) into “scared, greedy animals” whose sole focus becomes preserving their own wealth at the expense of everything else…even their partners’ lives.

It doesn’t take very long in the film before “pulling ourselves up by our own bootstraps” becomes “every man for himself” and the violent destruction of their three-person enterprise. You can’t help but feel for Dobbs, though—as weak, fearful, and cruel as he becomes, he is the tragic leader of their doomed organization, and only human. Corporations are just people...right?

UNIONS

Norma Rae and Waiting for Superman

Want to tow the pro-union line? It’s still easy to root for Norma Rae Webster (Sally Field)…isn’t it? Norma isn’t fighting to form a public sector union (as in, police, firefighters, or teachers), which is the focus of much of our current conversation about unions—she is fighting instead to organize her textile factory colleagues to defeat the brutal working conditions that kill her father and threaten the health and prosperity of everyone around her.

To Norma’s employers, her activities are a menace to their bottom line, and because they believe they can get away with it, Norma’s bosses resort to bullying and intimidation. Focused on less is how Norma’s enemies also engage in the low-risk art of deception—preying upon Norma’s lack of education and better information to cloud her convictions about what is appropriate and what is not…not to mention what is legal and what is not. Director Martin Ritt’s acclaimed 1979 drama deserves renewed attention because the “like it or lump it” crowd tends to confuse freedom with impunity, whether we are talking about low-level industrial workers or teachers with tenure.

In contrast, if you want to see the film that made the teachers’ unions mad, look no further than the documentary Waiting for Superman, which makes an emotionally-charged case that the power of teachers’ unions can be damaging to the quality education of our children. The film was highly regarded by many (including President Obama), and then snubbed entirely come Academy Awards time. Few nonfiction films were as talked about that year—and even though the Documentary category is rife with examples of deserving films that are ignored, you don’t have to be a black-helicopter type to suspect, ever so slightly, that it may well have been that left-leaning Academy voters did not ultimately see the uplifting film they expected to see given the subject matter.

There is that matter of controversy over a staged scene, but the fakery that was exposed turns out to be less a matter of altering facts to suit an ideological purpose than inventing emotional filler to flesh out a narrative structure. People use this departure from vérité filmmaking as their crutch to dismiss the film, but don’t be fooled: It’s the film’s ideas that opponents wish to sideline.

A movie crusading for quality education that levels strong criticism in the direction of teachers’ unions? Quel scandale!

GOVERNMENT

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and 1984

There is no title better than that of Frank Capra’s 1939 classic acting as a descriptor for the current infatuation some voters have for booting out “career politicians” and replacing them with “regular folks”. Yessir, let’s get those citizen patriots in there to storm the government fortress and toss a heavy anchor off the ship of state. Recruiting Mister Smiths nationwide to sweep away the cynical and self-serving is a romantic notion; the difficulty I have in embracing the concept is that society is a little too complicated to trust to the care of dilettantes. When you boast of your love for the Constitution and express total ignorance of it, or extol your love of America while botching common matters of history, it’s my feeling you disqualify yourself.

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington may be a great film, but this feverish advocacy for bringing in ideological purists who lack the necessary skills (yes, there are many) to serve as little more than ciphers through whom financial backers plan to funnel their preferred policies is alarming.

On the flip side of that coin, there is always Orwell to remind us of the dangers of the entrenched and all-too-powerful government. Is it a conspiracy that the very best filmed version of the novel, actually released in Nineteen Eighty-Four, keeps going out of print? This remarkably bleak picture starring John Hurt (as hero Winston Smith) and Richard Burton (as O’Brien, in his final screen performance) speaks to us as plainly and urgently today as it did then, which illustrates how well it properly echoes the book’s enduring worth.

OWS critics point to vocal anarchists scattered throughout the movement, characterizing them as the disciples of George Soros, who they see as a modern-day Emmanuel Goldstein…where Big Business is analogous to Big Brother. We’d expect this charge from their adversaries—if you accept the Tea Party movement as the principled opposition to OWS, it's just payback after they were likewise accused of astroturfing their import—and they have proven themselves to be no stranger to doublethink. If you are rusty on your Newspeak, doublethink refers to the ability to hold two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously. Still fuzzy? Here’s an indisputable statement of classic doublethink:

Keep your government hands off my Medicare.

I’d add the recent, notable, and rather jaw-dropping abortion-related example of doublethink from a 2012 presidential candidate, but we're all about Occupy Wall Street-related fare here, so it’s now past time we move on to jobs. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Where Are The Jobs?

JOBS

   

The Jerk and Salesman

Sure, he was "born a poor, black child,” but Caucasian nebbish Navin R. Johnson (Steve Martin) overcomes his impoverished youth as the (obviously adopted) child of sharecroppers to live the American Dream. Navin becomes a rich man after casually inventing the Opti-Grab, the visibly absurd addition of a handle pasted to the bridge of one’s eyeglasses that quickly catches on and becomes a wildly popular whatchamahoozit the entire nation suddenly can’t live without.

The film’s happy ending would lead us to the conclusion that, with the help of a loving family (that is much wiser about making investments than he), yes you can get by on plenty of nuttin’ and still be a contented man. Of course, The Jerk may also be the story of an entrepreneur who rakes in piles of cash by convincing you to buy something you really don’t need...which cripples you. He gets away with it, albeit with a slimmer wallet (Thank you, consumer protections!), and lives happily ever after.

Either way you look at it, the jerk’s got a smile on his face.

Less happy about his lot in life is one of the men we meet peddling Bibles door-to-door in Salesman, Albert and David Maysles’ haunting 1969 documentary.

The film focuses on a four-man sales team working New England and Southeast Florida territories, and shows us how they can take an expensive, illustrated Catholic Bible and sell it to low-income folks with the same snappy patter a salesman would employ to hawk a vacuum cleaner or other sturdy and indispensable household appliance. (I discovered, to my surprise, that I actually own one of the "Papal Editions" they are selling in the film, having inherited one as part of my late grandfather's library) The fellas work on commission, so they are highly motivated to close every sale. A-B-C. Always Be Closing. David Mamet (Glengarry Glen Ross) has seen this movie.

The Maysles’ clean, nonjudgmental style of “direct cinema” filmmaking keeps us next to the men like veritable flies on the wall, accompanying them on (often uncomfortable and unsuccessful) sales calls, as well as to meetings with one another where they trade war stories. Of special interest is Paul, the salesman nicknamed “The Badger”—the others are “The Rabbit,” “The Bull,” and “The Gipper”—who is forever bellyaching about his failures. You see, his bad figures are never his fault. Never. Never ever. Someone or something else is always to blame, and he is forever making sure his colleagues know it.

Quiet human tragedy sets in as you observe the glazes starting to pass over his coworkers’ eyes while he rants on; Paul’s the noisy bad apple in their midst. He will drag everyone down, given enough freedom to do so, and you can see the other men attempt first to console him, then try to help him, and finally, exasperated, ignore him. This, ultimately, is the movie both supporters and opponents of Occupy Wall Street can rally behind. It’s the film that brutally condemns the dehumanizing and fraudulent elements of American capitalism even as it places the blame for failure to achieve its blessings squarely on the individual.

The “free” individual.

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  • Anonymous.

    Are the so called "occupy Wall Street" protesters (in New York and everywhere else) stupid, ignorant, or just plain nuts?! Actually, they're clearly all of the above!

  • http://www.moviesunlimited.com George D. Allen

    Anonymous, you fearlessly dove in first, so thanks for that. Now then:

    There's the high road, the low road, and the Anonymous road, and we both know that you are capable of more than this level of knee-jerk bloviating. So, like the line goes from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest,"--Play The Game! Play the Gaaaaaame!

    Take on the movies I talked about with some new ideas, or supplement this list with other movies you think matter in this context...or, just tell me I'm full of poop, but instead of leaving it at "You are so full of poop! Is there anything more obvious than that? I think not!," gimme something a little more, well, "involved." :)

  • Ron

    I can tell this is all just a bunch of liberal revisionism from the start. For instance "Treasure of SM" begins with Fred C Dobbs panhandling for "pesos" in Tampico. He keeps hitting on the same guy (J Huston) over and over until the Huston character gives him two pesos and says that'll be the last and he'll have to go through life wo his assistance. Just transform Huston to the Tea Party and Dobbs to the WS ccupiers and there you have it.

    Mr Smith was about the absolute corruption of power politics and the politicians that occupy DC. Nuff said.

    But if you rerally want a glimpse of what the occupiers stand for, try the hooligans in Clockwork Orange.

  • Anonymous.

    OK George, fair enough. I wasn't attempting to criticize you in any way. It's just that the so-called "Occupiers" are unfocused and not just a little incoherent. Indeed, the fact that they make no real sense has been well established by the numerous news reporters who have interviewed them. Of course, the overwhelming majority of them are much too young to be taken seriously (are you the least bit interested in the opinions of children? Neither am I), but it's much more than that. Your article takes a look at films that deal with protests and/or protesters of one form or another. And even though some of the titles you mention may well have a somewhat tenuous connection to the subject, at least the protests in the films have some kind of meaning. They have a purpose. A point. This certainly cannot be said of the so-called "occupiers." They make no sense at all! Now... This fact has nothing to do with you, George. I'm simply pointing out the obvious. The "Ocuupiers" throughout the United States and the rest of the world are stupid, ignorant, and just plain nuts!

  • http://www.moviesunlimited.com George D. Allen

    Ron, nice addition of “A Clockwork Orange” to our curriculum.

    I rather like the analogy you draw between Dobbs/OWS and Huston/Tea Party, but in doing so, do you understand you're making more of my point than illustrating any kind of "liberal revisionism" on my part? It’s not revisionism to say that “Treasure” is a movie critical of capitalism, it’s an accurate reading of the text and an understanding of what motivated the person who wrote it—it’s revisionism to do the opposite, to conduct the kind of mental pretzel-twisting necessary to make yourself “OK” with a beloved film once you understand that film doesn’t champion your own political values.

    You realize Bogart is the hero of the piece, right? A tragic one, indeed, but you get that it’s Bogart who is the protagonist of the film, yes? We see the story through his eyes, and, not to get too academic here, but it’s the goal of traditional storytelling to place the viewer in sympathy (of varying degrees) with the protagonist: it’s what carries the viewer through a well-told story. The character can be an unlikable one (as Dobbs frequently is), but it is he who is meant to evoke our empathy. We are to hate what he becomes and why he becomes that way, and while the movie walks something of a fine line, it’s pretty obvious we’re meant to feel that Dobbs’ fate isn’t one completely of his own choosing, but one that was inevitable given his particular human weaknesses when met with the forces brought to bear on him (the dogged and desperate pursuit of wealth). I am reminded (by that ever-reliable Wikipedia search) that PT Anderson watched this movie a lot while he made “There Will Be Blood.” Is that a film that stands up for the titans of the petroleum industry?

    Or are you just saying that the socialist who wrote the book the film was based on didn’t know how to get his values across the way he wanted to, and accidentally told a story that makes Dobbs the villain and the white-suited man in Tampico the hero? Do you remember what happens with Dobbs after his encounter with Huston? Shamed after their encounter, he grabs that job with McCormick, who promises “hard work but good pay.” What happens then? Where does McCormick fit in with your analogy?

    No revising on my part with Mr. Smith, either; again, the opposite, I lament the revisionism happening with others. It is indeed a movie about government corruption, but the careless viewer both ignores what the nature of that corruption is, and whether or not it squares with what today is labeled as government corruption. Ask yourself, for example, who exactly would be critical of a bill seeking a government loan to build a national boys’ camp for children that would be paid back by…the children. Who would be calling that “pork” today? Who would be referring to Mr. Smith’s bill (again, keep in mind, he’s the hero) as “saddling our children and grandchildren with debt”? My take on that particular movie was to critique the fact that Mr. Smith’s stature as a political outsider is being abused and oversimplified today to give neophyte office seekers a pass as “outsiders,” no matter their glaring intellectual deficiencies, because the outsider status is over-romanticized to the point it outweighs all other (and mostly better) considerations.

    Anonymous, I’m not passing on responding to you, but I remain hopeful of something more than this “they’re stupid, ignorant, and just plain nuts!” stuff. Substance, please, substance. Now I’d rather get into more movie-centric discussion, but I will only respond that it’s very different to say a movement hasn’t a single, organized “point”—which is the statement closer to the truth—than to say it has “no point,” which might be philosophically comfortable for you, but it’s reductive and unserious. I will give you one easy enough “point” to disprove the claim: The OWS movement disapproves of the economic policies that have vastly increased the income gap between the wealthiest minority of Americans and the majority of the middle class.

    So we stand at having “A Clockwork Orange” added, which I like. More please?

    PS As for the opinions of kids, you may have something there, at least insofar as recent events emerging from my alma mater demonstrate. Talk about a riot for no good reason. Sad. So very sad.

  • masterofoneinchpunch

    One of my favorite attacks on bureaucracy (both government and big business) and is a good companion piece to 1984 (and influenced by it) is Terry Gilliam's Brazil. A scathing attack on an overly large government as well as crony capitalism.*

    Another great attack of government bureaucracy is Kurosawa's Ikiru where the protagonist goes head to head against agency after agency to complete a simple task.

    * Now technically a true capitalist should be against government interventions in business, especially if one is more inclined towards laissez-faire policies. The Libertarian movement nowadays in fiscal thought seems to be the most influenced by the Austrian (school of thought) economists such as Milton Friedman. One has to think of how this translates to the movies. The Ayn Rand movies such as The Fountainhead with Gary Cooper as Howard Roark come to mind.

    Gilliam discusses the metaphor of the film in the commentary (and extras) on the Criterion release.

  • http://www.moviesunlimited.com George D. Allen

    Nicely added, MOIIP: Brazil, Ikiru, and The Fountainhead!:

    Brazil (obviously the 142-min. version :) )

    Ikiru (This is my favorite of your picks as I never would have thought of it in this context. This is a great, great film, though I find it a little too sad to watch very often)

    The Fountainhead (Might be interesting to compare this and the recent Randian opus "Atlas Shrugged," if I could bring myself to sit through it. I have a feeling this movie would have done a lot better had, say, Angelina Jolie stuck with it and had it produced as a true A-list movie)

  • Sancho

    John Carpenter's They Live, with it's take on blind consumerism and real motivations of "the Man".

  • http://www.moviesunlimited.com George D. Allen

    "They Live," indeed! I debate whether or not I would want those glasses to actually exist.

  • Anonymous.

    George, I don't think most people understand the term "income gap." What does it truly mean? There always has been, and always will be, an "income gap." The fact that some people (in fact, a miniscule minority) have a great deal more money than the rest of us really doesn't mean anything. It's not for anyone to say that it's unfair. Any more than I should say that YOUR income is unfair. Simply put, a wealthy (or VERY wealthy) person's income has nothing to do with YOUR success or failure (unless of course, you know how to effectively utilize the products and services offered by the wealthy. In which case, thank God they're wealthy!). THEIR income doesn't diminish YOUR income in any way, shape, manner, or form. It's not either, or. The economy doesn't stand still. Even in this time of economic recession, the economy continues to grow. No matter what you may think or believe, WE control our future, no one else and nothing else (except perhaps, an intrusive government). Now... I understand that just about everyone is filled with envy. I suspect it's human nature. I personally envy the neighbor who owns a certain classic Chevy I can't afford! But it's a meaningless emotion. It doesn't do me any good. And it certainly doesn't mean that my neighbor shouldn't own such a car if I don't have the money to buy one as well. Therefore, I have two relevant questions for you: -1- Why should the wealthy be forced to pay a higher income tax RATE just because they're wealthy? -2- Are the people who throw around the term "income gap" simply just surrendering to their envy?

    I must confess that I really don't see a genuine connection of the "occupiers" to any of the films that you mentioned. I must return to a point I made earlier. Each film has a theme. I may or may not agree with any number of your suppositions where some of those films are concerned, but at least they're trying to say something. But what the Hell are the "occupiers" saying? Do they make sense? Do they have a point? No George, you're wrong. They don't have a point! They're all over the map and they really don't have a point! I saw news tape of one of the few older men in the "occupy" crowd (75 years old or better) ranting that the United States is an evil country and it is responsible for all the suffering in the world! And yes, he admitted to the fact that he's a full blown communist! To say the least, such insanity cannot be taken seriously by anyone with a brain. But is that what the "occupiers" are all about? Are they communists? Or was that silly clown just speaking for himself and the "occupiers" actually stand for something else? Or maybe they really don't stand for anything at all? Could it be that they actually stand for EVERYTHING? Geee... Damned if I know. And that's just it, George. You don't know either. Therefore, despite what you may think and believe, none of the films you mentioned have anything to do with the "occupy Wall Street" movement. That's because, as I already pointed out, the "occupiers" are all over the map. Since they say everything, they effectively say nothing. Once again, they're stupid, ignorant, and just plain nuts!

    Finally, many younger people are very knowledgable about a great many things, but that has little to do with wisdom and/or understanding. When I said that I'm not interested in the opinions of children, I meant that you have to bake the cake before you eat it! When you're under age 30, not only don't you have any frosting, you haven't even been placed in the oven! I know that you may be an expert in your job or profession, but that's a different issue. When it comes to your OPINION, I don't want to hear it! I am not the least bit interested in the opinions of children (or, for that matter, rioters!)!

  • http://www.moviesunlimited.com George D. Allen

    Sweet jeebers, Anonymous! (I continue to find the notion of you obliging me to address you by your pseudonym on these matters to be curious on its own, but others have successfully addressed your preference for this in other threads, so I'll say no more about it)

    I'm happy to respond to the questions of substance you ask--which are all to be found in your first paragraph.

    Your copping to envy of others' possessions, with the simultaneous realization that it's a poisonous emotion to have control you, are admirable pieces of self-awareness. I like your embrace of what Shakespeare would see as our "free will of action" determining our destinies more than exterior circumstances (as we might find, say, in the works of the Greeks). Here's my problem with what you wrote: The fact that some people (of a miniscule minority) have a "great deal more money" than the rest of us, contrary to your assertion, does mean something. In this country, it means you wield power and influence. Conservatives who believe that "money is speech" (you should know who they are, I would bet you might be one of them) can't argue otherwise.

    You asked me to define "income gap" -- what I mean by it is the agreed-upon observation that the difference in income (said "gap") between the wealthiest and the poorest has gotten much wider than it has been in the past. The richest minority in the U.S. has also enjoyed a greater increase in salary while wages for the middle class have remained nearly stagnant. This doesn't just "happen"--we create policy that shapes who pays how much for what, where that money goes, and who that money benefits.

    The difference between what you think is "fair" and what I think is "fair" is, I guess, where we split. I think I should pay more taxes than the man who is unemployed, and I think the rich man should pay more taxes than me--because s/he can afford to, and because we need a great deal of money to make this country run properly, and because I agree with the idea of the social compact, that as citizens we have a responsibility to, what's that saying, “promote the general welfare.” That's a straightforward way of putting it. To me, that's what's "fair." It has exactly nothing to do with resentment.

    As to rejecting every single movie on my list as related at all to the OWS situation (hey, if that's how you see it, that's how you see it), why not take up my offer at the end and supply a few of your own? Look, even Ron offered up “A Clockwork Orange,” a harsh choice to be sure, but he did it, and so there you are. You must be able to summon up a film or two that would reflect your own characterization of the movement.

    Lastly, two additional points:

    I know you may have a weakness for these rhetorical flourishes due to an affection for comics, but this reliance on the bellicose exclamation-- “They're stupid, ignorant, and just plain nuts!”--does you no favors.

    Finally, the whole young-are-dumb-and-old-are-wise thing is a far more impenetrable and complex discussion than you make it appear (though your cooking metaphors bring a smile to my face), but I would submit to you that your apparent pride in shouting down others (of any age) who would hold a different opinion than yours because you “don't want to hear it” is the textbook definition of an unfortunate trend today, popularly referred to as “epistemic closure.”

    Anonymous, make sure you return to check out my next (and far less “controversial”) piece, posting tomorrow I believe. :)

  • Anonymous.

    Hmmm... A film that reflects the "occupy Wall Street" movement... Let me see... Oh! I've got it! "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, World!" Not in substance, just in spirit!

    By the way, I wasn't suggesting that young people under age 30 are necessarily dumb. I'm sure they're no dumber than any other demographic group. I was simply trying to say that their relative youth places them at a disadvantage when it comes to wisdom and understanding. One can only ever hope to acquire said wisdom and understanding through experience, and experience only comes with age. I don't think people who are under age 30 are dumb. I'm just not interested in their opinions!

    OK. You win. I admit that "stupid, ignorant, and just plain nuts" is a juvenile phrase. But I honestly feel that it's the best, fastest, easiet, and probably, most accurate way to describe the majority of the people involved in the "occupy Wall Street" protests!

    Ya know, the fact that we can't match the ability of the wealthy to disseminate a message, whether that message is political or commercial, can be frustrating for the rest of us. But it isn't unfair. Everyone has the right of free speech, including the wealthy. If you resent the wealthy merely because they can more effectively spread a message, then it's a matter of envy on your part! It's also a matter of envy when you insist that the wealthy should pay a higher tax RATE merely because they're wealthy. The term "social contract" certainly doesn't justify a higher tax rate. It's meaningless. It doesn't explain anything. In fact, I suspect if you were to be honest with yourself, you might well admit that "social contract" is really just a euphemism for... wait for it...here it comes... ENVY!

    Finally George, just because YOU know who I am, doesn't mean it would do me much good to tell the whole world. Some of my posts are overtly opinionated. I do this to provoke discussion. But PROVOKE is the operative word. As a writer, I have no wish to possibly annoy any of my clients (or, for that matter, potential clients). I hope you understand.

  • http://www.moviesunlimited.com George D. Allen

    Excellent! A new addition. Here’s our updated curriculum. I’ve renamed the first section of our studies to better reflect organizing the addition of the new titles:

    LEADERS & FOLLOWERS
    The Wild One
    Rebel Without a Cause
    Fight Club
    A Clockwork Orange
    Ikiru
    It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

    WALL STREET/CAPITALISM
    Wall Street
    Treasure of the Sierra Madre
    The Fountainhead

    UNIONS
    Norma Rae
    Waiting for Superman

    GOVERNMENT
    Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
    1984
    Brazil
    They Live

    JOBS
    The Jerk
    Salesman

    Hm, I think we need a few more titles to flesh out “Unions” and “Jobs.”

  • masterofoneinchpunch

    Actually George, Ayn Rand wanted Howard Roark in The Fountainhead viewed as an archetype of a leader :) .

    Some of the past arguments here remind me of the quote "There's nothing I like less than bad arguments for a view that I hold dear." -- Daniel Dennett (yes Jim Emerson quotes this a bit), though I'm glad a few of the Ad Hominem attacks were cleared up. I'm a staunch I guess you would now call it fiscal conservative (yes the libertarian influence is there too; yes I have a degree, yes I've worked in small/large business /government/government contracts) but I tend to take a more subtle approach when to discuss issues. I have no idea how you are going to covert (or even place an Inception style idea in someones head) by being too dissonant. If you have a problem with the opinion (much of film criticism is of opinion) attack the opinion not the person.

    For example I would have went after the notion that capitalism is a "zero sum game". That is a fallacy that has been around for a long time. First wealth is subjective, wealth can be created, the world is not static, when people trade both people can gain, etc... If someone lost everytime someone gained than would we have gone this far in the past 100 years? ... and go on from there (argument -> counterargument)

    See it is easy to be civil.

  • http://www.moviesunlimited.com George D. Allen

    MOIIP, I was actually sort of itching for someone to point out that, as a right-wing character written through a left-wing author's sensibility, we might be more skeptical of trusting the words of Gordon Gekko as representing views that could be represented as "authentically" conservative.

    I dunno about the "wealth is subjective" argument. I might accept that as a genteel truism, but it doesn't get so very philosophical for people who suffer the consequences of having little or no money and/or power. It isn't subjective to say there are a certain number of dollars being allocated for national defense vs. a certain number of dollars for scientific research or education, etc. We are ever fighting over who gets the bigger piece of the pie, so to speak--so, in that sense, I think it's more than fair to say there are plenty of situations where one person wins, another person loses.

    (Not to mention that using the "look how far we've come through history" argument is not exactly persuasive, you know, when you consider that, in our not-so-distant-past, there were entire classes of people quite measurably "losing" while others were "winning")

    Meanwhile, yea, I like "The Fountainhead" for that grouping, too :) --I decided to throw it into the Wall St/Capitalism segment of our course because I'd use "The Fountainhead" as a springboard for a look at all things Rand.

  • masterofoneinchpunch

    Well of course there are situations where some people win and some people lose. I'm not sure anyone would argue against it. I sure did not. But you have to be careful in using the Nirvana Fallacy. I am attacking the zero sum game fallacy which falls apart if there is even one instance of gain without a subsequent loss.

    I also said "would we have gone this far in the past 100 years" not "look how far we've come through history" (when quoting it is appropriate to use exact statements). The argument is not to say there has not been corruption, there has not been wrongdoing, but to say there has been a gain. There is truth to the explotation of people and resources but that does not have to do with the zero sum fallacy:

    "Particularly under the application of the fascism of the past — mercantilism, colonialism, trade monopolies, tariffs, and so on — people in the third world were exploited through force, and their economic progress was set back." "But this has nothing to do with voluntary exchange. It is economic fascism and tyranny, not simply the use of resources in a free market. Within a free market of individuals, people from any land will always be able to accomplish and prosper far more than those bound by artificial limits.
    " (Colin Patrick Barth - Promethean Capitalism)

  • http://www.moviesunlimited.com George D. Allen

    MOIIP, apologies for the misquote(as I realize how easily misquoting can damage ye olde credibility), though I confess I wasn't endeavoring to quote you so much as try to place your argument into that broader discussion we hear so often..."all the progress we've made," etc. -- my observation, though, I think retains its usefuless when you consider just 100 years' history, too.

    Your closing quote is enjoyable, but I think these arguments have been taken to unfortunate if not Biblical extremes of late.

    For example, when the suggestion of returning to the corporate tax rates of either the Clinton or (God forbid) the Reagan eras is defined as being traitorous to the principles of the free market, I think we have what could be called a serious difficulty with authentic perspective.

    Hm. As fun as this is, I am kind of itching now for the more movie-related talk. When you're able, do share stories of your first R-rated film experiences here, MOIIP. I imagine you might have some good ones :) :
    http://www.moviefanfare.com/staff-notes/r_rated_movies/

  • Anonymous.

    Hey Master...

    I'm just insecure enough to let one of your comments annoy me just a bit, Which is...: "There's nothing I like less than bad arguments for a view that I hold dear..." Assuming you were referring to something I wrote, I beg to differ. I sure as Hell did not offer a bad argument for a damned thing, and every one of my arguments are entirely logical, reasonable, and hold up under rigorous scrutiny!

  • Anonymous.

    By the way...

    I knew that some sticklers would likely laugh at my use of the word "recession" when our national economy is supposedly growing at slightly above 1 percent. Well... When the economy routinely grew between 4 to 6 percent for several years prior to the economic downturn, and is now only growing at slightly above 1 percent, then, to MY mind, it's reasonable to say that we sure as Hell are in a recession!

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